bogged down in a quagmire
"The answer to the crisis in Iraq is not more money and more US troops. We need to acknowledge that the continued U.S. presence in Iraq is counterproductive. Every day that we are inside Iraq the situation gets progressively worse as evidenced by the frequent and more sophisticated attacks on our troops. More US troops have died occupying Iraq than died in the war for Iraq.
"We must end the occupation of Iraq. Our presence in Iraq is helping to create instability. It is time to begin the process of getting the UN in and the US out."
Dennis Kucinich
Kucinich 2004
Ω{Where the debate will start going off the rails is Israel.
Pulling out will mean Iraqi self-determination, which will, under the circumstances, given the outrage and sense of violation the Iraqis now have permanently transfused into their lives, place Israel in a position of extreme vulnerability. There are nuclear weapons in the Middle East now, there will be for some time to come.
The question that Israel is, as a nation, as a concept, as an intentionally indefinite presence, needs to be resolved, internally and in the eyes of the world. There are madmen there, their madness is contagious. There are madmen here in America, and in the Muslim countries as well.
No peace, no stability, will be possible as long as the pretense of Israeli uninvolvement is maintained. It isn't the US and the Iraqis, the US and the Arabs, it's the US and Israel and the Arabs. The whole world is taking sides around this, and increasingly the United States and Israel are alone inside a ring of disapproval.
We entered Iraq under pretense, with disguised motives that were more complex than just oil and global domination. We won't be able to leave under that same pretense.}
Pulling out will mean Iraqi self-determination, which will, under the circumstances, given the outrage and sense of violation the Iraqis now have permanently transfused into their lives, place Israel in a position of extreme vulnerability. There are nuclear weapons in the Middle East now, there will be for some time to come.
The question that Israel is, as a nation, as a concept, as an intentionally indefinite presence, needs to be resolved, internally and in the eyes of the world. There are madmen there, their madness is contagious. There are madmen here in America, and in the Muslim countries as well.
No peace, no stability, will be possible as long as the pretense of Israeli uninvolvement is maintained. It isn't the US and the Iraqis, the US and the Arabs, it's the US and Israel and the Arabs. The whole world is taking sides around this, and increasingly the United States and Israel are alone inside a ring of disapproval.
We entered Iraq under pretense, with disguised motives that were more complex than just oil and global domination. We won't be able to leave under that same pretense.}
