...But of these sophisms and elenchs of merchandise I skill not...
Milton, Areopagitica

Except he had found the
standing sea-rock that even this last
Temptation breaks on; quieter than death but lovelier; peace
that quiets the desire even of praising it.

Jeffers, Meditation On Saviors



We're keeping an eye on the various nodes of debate, lucid and not so, viz the overall question of what's going on with all that supernatural stuff.
It's hard personally at this time because of the near-extinguishing presence of militant swine in the immediate vicinity - swine of all stripes, both metaphysical and rational-positivist, both committed and unconcerned with the specifics, both benignly forbearant and viciously intolerant etc etc.
But the main thing no matter what, the Hauptstuffe, would seem to be the obvious - we're here - we gain knowledge of what those two terms mean in increments, building on what we know, and can verify.
But there's a here already, and religion as it should be purports to converse with that - to talk to what's out there.
This is not the same as the dangerous asinine assumptions of proprietary ownership organized religion is breaking under the weight of, it's the larger and more deeply traditional stance of metaphysical questioning as it's always been.
The debate's been polarized into the easily led and maintained camps of atheists v. dogmatics, and we're told we have to choose one or the other.
Which generally means there's someone else lurking around in the shadows of the conflict, gathering the rewards and proceeds that are made ripe by the confusion.

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